BrimStone

[x88x]

The only wrong I see anywhere here is an offhand remark by the journalist who wrote the article, failing to remember that one small part of the mod had been done before. I hadn't actually read the article before you mentioned it (since I have been following the project since its start), but comparing your quoted segment to the current text, it looks like Kayin has fixed the reference:

From humble beginnings as a vodka bottle, this project has come a long way, and it's not quite complete, but I'm really impressed with what he's done so far, and I can't wait to see what he comes up with. It's a refreshing thing to see, someone making something that nobody else has. My hat's off to you, Mark-this is what modding is about!

As far as I am concerned, the issue was handled well. I can't comment on any interactions on Facebook, as I have no knowledge of (and couldn't really care less) what happens on that site, but as for anything that happened here on TBCS, I think the matter was handled well by the staff. If you feel differently, fine, that's your prerogative. But don't expect anyone here to bend over backwards to please you.

TBCS is home to many, many talented individuals, any number of whom are at any time creating many great, interesting things. We share ideas freely, without any expectation of anything in return. I can't speak for everyone, but IMO, this system works beautifully, and I think we are all better for it.

[DarthBeavis]

From the modder's code of conduct regarding ideas and copyright (copied from a similar discussion at bit-tech). http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthrea...197582&page=4&

1) Don't copy another modder's ideas or mod unless you get permission.
2) Say thank you and give credit if you copy a mod
3) Mark your stuff if you want to tell another modder if and how they can copy it. (Langer suggested Creative commons at one point/Kayin CopyLeft)
4) The internet is full of monsters. Don't post it if you intend to profit from it or don't want others to profit from it
5) If you think you have been slighted, talk to the other modder. You likely have more in common than you realize.

Finally, when in doubt, refer to the Bindi Precept "Don't be dick." (Bindi©2010)

The idea was inspired by DB's mod. Mark should have given credit in his worklog so Kayin would have known. What's the big deal about printing a correction?

That is all I ask. Mark did an amazing job and deserves credit. Kayin would surely fix it but he is dealing with issues that are WAY more important. Charles J Gantt (not sure what his handle is here) is the one who refused to deal with it in a constructive way. He has effected more damage to TBCS when it could have been a win/win situation.

[slaveofconvention]

There has been an amendment made to the article in respect of this issue. I would point out a couple of things though.
First, Kayin wrote the article and I don't believe for a second he'd have phrased it that way if he'd seen the previous skull reservoir.
Second, I edited, proofread, and marked the article ready for publishing, and I guarantee that I hadn't seen the previous skull
Third, as soon as we were aware of there being a possible error or omission, we DID take reasonable steps to address the situation.
Fourth, and finally, I refer to "Rule" 5 of Mach's post. There was absolutely no need for this ridiculous public situation. If you read over most of the comments, they are NOT disagreeing with the original issue - that of uncredited inspiration - but finding issue with the way DarthBeavis has chosen to handle it.

Now how about we draw a line under this, LEARN from it (otherwise what's the bloody point) and move on.

Darth, I strongly reccomend you PM or email Mark regarding this issue. Sort it out between the two of you, in private - I'm sure he'll credit you albeit with a little prompting and we can ALL go back to some semblance of normality.

That's the nice polite way to put it. Less polite. Enough already - we're not here to argue and fight - lets sort it out and move on before things get out of hand.

[DarthBeavis]

The only wrong I see anywhere here is an offhand remark by the journalist who wrote the article, failing to remember that one small part of the mod had been done before. I hadn't actually read the article before you mentioned it (since I have been following the project since its start), but comparing your quoted segment to the current text, it looks like Kayin has fixed the reference:


As far as I am concerned, the issue was handled well. I can't comment on any interactions on Facebook, as I have no knowledge of (and couldn't really care less) what happens on that site, but as for anything that happened here on TBCS, I think the matter was handled well by the staff. If you feel differently, fine, that's your prerogative. But don't expect anyone here to bend over backwards to please you.

TBCS is home to many, many talented individuals, any number of whom are at any time creating many great, interesting things. We share ideas freely, without any expectation of anything in return. I can't speak for everyone, but IMO, this system works beautifully, and I think we are all better for it.

the FB article linked back here so if you do not know what went on there then you do not have room to make an informed decision. I respect what you are saying from your perspective but you need to take it all into consideration

[DarthBeavis]

There has been an amendment made to the article in respect of this issue. I would point out a couple of things though.
First, Kayin wrote the article and I don't believe for a second he'd have phrased it that way if he'd seen the previous skull reservoir.
Second, I edited, proofread, and marked the article ready for publishing, and I guarantee that I hadn't seen the previous skull
Third, as soon as we were aware of there being a possible error or omission, we DID take reasonable steps to address the situation.
Fourth, and finally, I refer to "Rule" 5 of Mach's post. There was absolutely no need for this ridiculous public situation. If you read over most of the comments, they are NOT disagreeing with the original issue - that of uncredited inspiration - but finding issue with the way DarthBeavis has chosen to handle it.

Now how about we draw a line under this, LEARN from it (otherwise what's the bloody point) and move on.

Darth, I strongly reccomend you PM or email Mark regarding this issue. Sort it out between the two of you, in private - I'm sure he'll credit you albeit with a little prompting and we can ALL go back to some semblance of normality.

That's the nice polite way to put it. Less polite. Enough already - we're not here to argue and fight - lets sort it out and move on before things get out of hand.

again - Mark and I are NOT the main issue.

[x88x]

again - Mark and I are NOT the main issue.

Yes, and the main issue has been dealt with...what more do you want. -_^

[DarthBeavis]

settled - thinks to the TBCS who looked at this fairly and fixed it

[Kayin]

DB, we've known each other a long time. I wouldn't intentionally slight you. As you said, life has been pretty busy for me resently, so I wasn't around to fix it immediately when it went out.

Even though it's fixed and there aren't hard feelings, I want to offer you my own apology-I don't believe I saw your skull reservoir first, and therefore I printed wrong copy. If you ever have an issue with something I wrote, let me know-I'll deal with it if it's factual errors. You have so many projects it's hard to keep up. And that IS a good thing.

I'm sorry that things went pear-shaped on this, but I want you to know that I had no intent to overlook you-if you know what's going on, overlooking is now one of the easiest things I do, unfortunately. That whole partial blindness thing.

That said, I think (hope) there are no hard feelings. We just moved Asher home so I've been offline, but I've been following this whole thing since I got on. I really wish I had done better homework this time, guys.

And I'll always be willing to admit if I'm wrong. Journalistic integrity. I try to have it.